Hare and Hounds Building 2
Hare and Hounds Under Threat!
December 3rd, 2012

It has come to our attention that an application for planning permission to build a flat behind the Hare and Hounds has been submitted to Birmingham City Council. If granted it could pose a real threat to us continuing to host live music and club nights due to it’s proximity to the main live venue.  Although nothing has been confirmed yet we have decided to appeal against this application before it has the chance to be accepted.

 To make our case stronger we need your help. Please sign this petition to show your support.

We thank you in advance and ask you share this with your friends and family to secure the future of one of Birmingham’s best loved independent music venues.

Comments

  • Rob Edwards says:

    Signed. Is there any way that we can raise an objection with the council too?

    December 3rd, 2012 at 9:36 pm

  • N says:

    Hi there, I just saw your blog post. I don’t think that setting up a petition to stop the development is going to make a great deal of difference. When the local authority make their decision I would expect them to focus their attention on the impact of the proposal on the residential amenity of the existing and potential new residential occupants, and also considerations like how the development will be accessed. If you really think that the construction of a flat is a major threat to the existence of your business then I would seek professional advice from a planning consultant and do so very quickly because the public consultation period is only about 3 weeks. Bear in mind that 87% of planning applications get approved. good luck.

    December 3rd, 2012 at 10:12 pm

  • Kevin says:

    Hi guys, How about adding some more details, with a link to the planning application online?

    December 3rd, 2012 at 10:34 pm

  • Sean Farmelo says:

    don’t do this bad thing

    December 3rd, 2012 at 11:11 pm

  • Daniel O'Raw says:

    I’m shocked, this is simply not acceptable. The hare and hounds is a great venue and if the situation came that it could no longer host gigs or club nights then this would be absolutely terrible not just to kings heath but Birmingham as a whole. Surely we need to be saving our gig venues not ending them, basically, build a flat somewhere else.

    December 3rd, 2012 at 11:44 pm

  • Dom Samways says:

    Simply one of the best live music pubs in the country. An absolute gem with so much character and diversity that it should be treasured and protected

    December 4th, 2012 at 12:27 am

  • andy kelly says:

    Played here and it must stay as a live venue

    December 4th, 2012 at 7:37 am

  • Dave Travis says:

    The Hare and Hounds is one of the best pubs in the country and contributes immensely to the cultural life of Kings Heath and Birmingham in general.

    December 4th, 2012 at 9:17 am

  • Gary Timmins says:

    It would be wrong to allow this development to take place. you only need to look at the venues in Birmingham that have been forced to close due to flats being built too close. Then the residents make a noise complaintand the council then issues a noise abatement order. UNLESS, that the whole idea!

    December 4th, 2012 at 10:14 am

  • Alexandra Hyde says:

    Having read of the issues from traditional pubs in Birmingham being forced into closure because residents, new to the area, have complained about the noise, I believe it is not conducive to build flats behind the Hare and Hounds in Kings Heath. Live music belongs to a long history of what makes this country great, not a block of flats of whingeing residents.

    December 4th, 2012 at 10:24 am

  • Mick Ramsey says:

    The link to the petition doesn’t seem to work??

    December 4th, 2012 at 10:48 am

  • Alex Horne says:

    This cannot happen, would be detrimental to Kings Heath. I have enjoyed many nights there and it is one of the few pubs still around that gives you live music.

    December 4th, 2012 at 11:17 am

  • Hannah Noble says:

    This pub is Birmingham’s birthplace of live music. It makes Kings Heath.

    December 4th, 2012 at 11:18 am

  • Brendan says:

    NO

    December 4th, 2012 at 11:28 am

  • Julian Hill says:

    Having done a conversion of some offices into flats in Worcester next to Bushwackers, a condition was attached to the approval to have a noise mitigation strategy was incorporated as part of the proposal. In other words, no opening windows and a mechanical ventilation system. Insist that this be a condition.
    Get in touch if you want to know more…

    December 4th, 2012 at 11:38 am

  • Mike Hatton says:

    It would be an outrage if this was allowed to happen. Kings Heath already has a poor record of letting corporate interests rule eg McDonalds (now gone thank god) Azda – who needs ‘em?

    December 4th, 2012 at 11:49 am

  • Greg says:

    This Pub is an historic place of the famous musical scene of Birmingham and should remain as a hub of creation and conviviality for the local area. On top on briging money to the area and providing jobs this is a place of culture (and a good place to have a drink too!) and shouldn’t be threaten by anything.
    Culture is important and should be more suported.

    Kind regards.

    Greg.

    December 4th, 2012 at 12:53 pm

  • Jan Cottrell says:

    Absolutely not! This pub is known nationally with a terrific reputation. Live music is already being squeezed out of so many venues all over the country. If they want to build flats, let them find somewhere else!

    December 4th, 2012 at 5:29 pm

  • Sue says:

    Go to Birmingham City Council/planning.

    App 2012/07681/PA

    You will be able to comment/object and give full grounds why,also you can be kept up to date with developments of the application, by either email or post.

    suex

    December 4th, 2012 at 6:31 pm

  • dylan gibbons says:

    dont do it

    December 4th, 2012 at 8:40 pm

  • Conflicted Neighbour says:

    Whilst it’s great to have such a fantastic venue for live music on our doorstep, I wonder how many of you commenters would cope with such an issue of noise in the early hours on your own doorsteps. There are two sides to every story and whilst ‘peoples gots to party’, people have the right to live with reasonable peace within their own four walls homes. You will find that there were residents such as myself within earshot of the Hare and Hounds long before it became a late licensed live music venue who could sleep soundly at night. It’s not simply about great live music, it’s about the behaviour of the revellers once they leave the venue, taxis, shouting. It’s the bands packing up in the early hours slamming van doors etc. All part of a great night out I totally understand, and all done in the early hours and not exclusively at weekends. It would be good to consider people who live close by not as whingers and kill joys, but people with the same rights as everyone else in this community as I am very confident that if the boot was on the other foot. . . I will end however with saying that I really hope that the Hare and Hounds continues to be the fantastic live music venue that it is and that everyone will continue to go there and support it, BUT remember us neighbours who need our sleep too!

    Watching closely with great interest

    Sadie

    December 5th, 2012 at 10:02 am

  • Mik says:

    While it’s right to keep a close eye on this, I don’t think it should threaten the Hare and Hounds. If you check the planning application the flat is not proposed forland behind the pub, but in the gap between shops a few doors down. It neither overlooks, nor is physically attached to the Hare and Hounds. It is less likely to be disturbed by noise than the existing homes in Milford Place. An anyway, as long as the H&H has existing permission for what it’s doing, they can’t enforce anything.

    Is any licence or planning permission for the Hare and Hounds a temporary one that will need renewing at some stage?

    December 5th, 2012 at 11:12 am

  • jazz says:

    just thought would bring some point to ya’ll attention:
    1) application is for a flat and not the plural
    2) the parking area for houses there is staying the same
    3) there are 3 properties still in between the proposed development and the H&H
    4) you can read all documents relating to the application which doesn’t mention the H&H at all
    5) the H&H is a statutory Listed building
    6) this application my not in fact actually harm the H&H due to its established use as a venue and because the flat is 3 properties away

    just food for thought

    December 5th, 2012 at 12:49 pm

  • NLS says:

    What does the petition actually say? Surely what we want is a guarantee that any new buildings in the vicinity will be built with regard to the fact that there WILL be noise from a known live venue. Whether that means building the new structures further away, building something non-residential, or insisting on noise abatement features in the new buildings, the point is that new structures must not be built in such a way as to pose risks to existing residents or businesses in the vicinity. One would hope that this is already an element in planning law that the Council have to take into account when considering the application.

    Commenting on the Council’s planning site (link in a previous post) will be more effective than a petition, especially one which at present appears to be making a very unclear request.

    December 6th, 2012 at 6:54 am

  • Pamela says:

    This sounds like an all-too-familiar story.

    The H&H are no doubt very aware of what happened in Digbeth: the Council granted permission for new flats to be built less than 10 metres from existing late night live music venues, without the correct sound-proofing or insulation, and then upheld noise complaints from the residents. Although only less than a handful of residents complained, it was still enough to threaten the future of some excellent venues and the livelihoods of their owners.

    I would certainly recommend getting in touch with Digbeth Residents Association via the email provided in this comment, and we can put you in touch with the venues themselves. This will give the H&H solid case-study evidence on precedent and the best course of action.

    However, I also agree with NLS that a petition is not the best course of action – ask supporters to directly comment on the planning application. This way all the comments have to be taken into account by the relevant Council committee and cannot be forgotten/ignored.

    I hope this helps!
    Pam.

    December 7th, 2012 at 10:07 am

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